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Mirage 24 is a 23 ′ 9 ″ / 7.3 m monohull sailboat designed by C&C Design and built by Mirage Yachts Ltd starting in 1972.
Rig and Sails
Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
- SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
Nearly the same as the NORTHERN 1/4 TON though originally designed to compete under the MORC rule. Tall Rig: I: 29.50’ / 8.99m J: 9.00’ / 2.74m P: 25.30’ / 7.71m E: 8.30’ / 2.53m Sail Area (100% fore+main triangles): 237.75 ft2 / 22.09 m2
Short Rig: I: 26.50’ / 8.08m J: 9.00’ / 2.74m P: 22.80’ / 6.95m E: 8.30’ / 2.53m Sail Area (100% fore+main triangles): 213.87 ft2 / 19.87 m2
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Mirage 236 or Ranger 22?
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- Start date Dec 19, 2010
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- Dec 19, 2010
I am an experienced (3rd boat) but still crappy sailor. The desire to eat (vs starve) has moved me to North Texas, although I am actually enjoying here immensely. I sold my cruising cat when I left my previous coastal home. So now I want a small, very cheap monohull boat for lake sailing. Price, my desire for a fixed keel, fairly fast boat, and what is currently on the market, have narrowed my choices to a Ranger 22 or a Mirage 236 FIN KEEL. I know these boats are not equivalent, but hey, I don't pick what people decide to sell. (The keel is in caps, because there are also daggerboard versions of this boat, which is not what I am considering.) I can find a lot of comment on the Ranger 22, but almost none on the Mirage. I guess a relatively small number were made in Florida by Mirage Manufacturing, who has now gone to the dark side. Can anyone comment on the sailing qualities of the Mirage 236FK? The Ranger 22 is a relatively stiff boat, one that I hope I can sail in the 20+ that we get down here occassionally, sometimes with little warning. I will be sailing single or shorthanded most of the time, except when racing, when I hope to find enough people to form a proper crew. I weigh close to 300 lbs if that matters in your comments. I am wondering if the 236FK is more than normally tender, as a classified ad I can find for the boat says that it is a good "light and medium air racing boat". Not sure what they were trying to say there... Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Fair winds, Kevin
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You don't want either one of those! You want a Santana 20! Really it has everything that those two have plus a great one design fleet if you get the hankering for racing. Plus it is at least 500 pounds lighter than either of the others listed. When I was shopping for a keel boat originally the Ranger crossed my mind but since they are no longer made parts will be tough to find. With the Santana there are parts and decent sails on the second hand market. Plus I want someone to race against in Dallas! On another note, there is a Mirage 236 sitting at Lake Texoma that hasn't moved in 3-4 years that could be a serious project boat if you are wanting that type of thing.
KevinMackenzie said: I am an experienced (3rd boat) but still crappy sailor. The desire to eat (vs starve) has moved me to North Texas, although I am actually enjoying here immensely. I sold my cruising cat when I left my previous coastal home. So now I want a small, very cheap monohull boat for lake sailing. Price, my desire for a fixed keel, fairly fast boat, and what is currently on the market, have narrowed my choices to a Ranger 22 or a Mirage 236 FIN KEEL. I know these boats are not equivalent, but hey, I don't pick what people decide to sell. (The keel is in caps, because there are also daggerboard versions of this boat, which is not what I am considering.) I can find a lot of comment on the Ranger 22, but almost none on the Mirage. I guess a relatively small number were made in Florida by Mirage Manufacturing, who has now gone to the dark side. Can anyone comment on the sailing qualities of the Mirage 236FK? The Ranger 22 is a relatively stiff boat, one that I hope I can sail in the 20+ that we get down here occassionally, sometimes with little warning. I will be sailing single or shorthanded most of the time, except when racing, when I hope to find enough people to form a proper crew. I weigh close to 300 lbs if that matters in your comments. I am wondering if the 236FK is more than normally tender, as a classified ad I can find for the boat says that it is a good "light and medium air racing boat". Not sure what they were trying to say there... Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Fair winds, Kevin Click to expand...
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KevinMackenzie said: ... ... So now I want a small, very cheap monohull boat for lake sailing. Price, my desire for a fixed keel, fairly fast boat, and what is currently on the market, have narrowed my choices to a Ranger 22 or a Mirage 236 FIN KEEL. I know these boats are not equivalent, but hey, I don't pick what people decide to sell. (The keel is in caps, because there are also daggerboard versions of this boat, which is not what I am considering.) ... ... Click to expand...
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For your area, I'd 2nd the Santana 20 vote. Many around cheap. Fun to race. Dead-ass minimal cruising amenities (you can lie down down below; that's about it.) I forgot to add: The Ranger 22 was a blatant attempt to cash in on the success of the Santana 20. Doesn't sail 1/2 as nice though.
- Dec 20, 2010
I don't know anything about the Ranger so I can't comment on that, but I have a Mirage 236 and really like the boat. I have the drop keel version, which is a little more tender than the fixed keel. While it is no sport boat, it's SA/Disp is still higher than most of it's contemporaries, and the boat can be a handful or a blast in higher winds, depending on your perspective. I singlehand mine all the time, even with the 150 up. Using a 105 would make it much more manageable in higher winds or single handing. The boat is quite beamy and carries the beam well aft. This gives you an incredibly comfortable cockpit for a 23' boat, which is really nice for daysailing. Owning this and a J24, I can tell you without a doubt the J is faster on most points of sail, and is easier to manage and singlehand. The one time where the Mirage is going to be faster than the J, is a reach in 15-20 knots. In that range, the huge MH spin on the Mirage will power it past the J. On a standard W/L, the J is the faster boat. If you are not going to race it, the Mirage makes a great daysailer. If you are thinking about racing, I would look at a J24 instead.
There is a very nice Santana 20 for sale on e-bay which I would buy before I was given either of the two boats you are considering. But at 300 pounds I would consider something a little larger.
That is a sweet santana 20, I spoke to the original poster a few months ago about getting a 20. I didn't realize it was him posting at first but since have talked to him. He has really done his research and has come to the conclusion that the 20 isn't the best boat for him for several reasons. It sounds like the boats he is looking at are in good shape. Based on what he says I would think the mirage would work better for him.
KevinMackenzie said: Why do I want a fixed keel? Everyone has their weirdnesses, mine is that I don't like centerboards and swing keels. I had a Cornado 15 and a Laser long ago (oops, I guess this will be my 5th boat not 3rd, forgot about the ones from my youth before I left sailing for a while). But I just think that fixed keels perform better, and there is no mechanical stuff to fight with. My first "bigger" boat had a 4' wing keel, and everyone told me how much pain it was going to be to launch, but I put a third wheel on the front of the trailer and dunked it with a tow rope, and never had a lick of trouble. So, it's a taste thing. You are right though, a swing or dagger would be much easier to launch. Click to expand...
KevinMackenzie said: I know that most of the world thinks differently about this than I do. And thanks for the comments about the R22 and 236 sailing qualities. I am suprised about the "droopy boom" comment, I am not sure what that means. One of the reasons I like both boats is that they both have relatively high (above the cockpit) booms. So "droopy boom" must mean something else that I am not sailor enough to understand. Click to expand...
KevinMackenzie said: I looked at one Ranger 23. If there was one for sale somewhere near me, I would definitely consider it. Click to expand...
KevinMackenzie said: As to "Gouv"'s comments, wow, that is a classis SA post. He must be thinking of different boats. The ones I am looking at now are very nice condition, well found boats. The MIrage is a fixed keel, and I suppose the keel could be missing. I have not progressed far enough down the purchasing path to have had the boat dived yet (it is in the water), but I will never buy a boat without seeing the bottom. And I would not buy a boat without a keel. But I would be suprised if this one did not have a keel. But thanks very much for the well intentioned warnings Gouvernail. I look forward to more comments, and thank all of you for those that have been left so far. Kevin Click to expand...
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- Sep 22, 2011
Clearly the Ranger 22 was the hope of Ranger Yachts for a successful one-design boat. It missed the mark, not on looks, but on performance. Looking at the specs compared to it's competition at the time shows that Gary Mull should have put in more waterline length and more sail area. That high positioned boom should give you a clue... That mainsail needed another 20 sq. ft. and even in the mid 1970s boats were getting shorter on the ends. Still a very pretty boat. It looks like Mull's other boats, the Ranger 28 and the 26Mk2 as much as it looks like a Santana 20. Those California designers all hung out together.
- Sep 23, 2011
The best thing to do is go down to the local sailing club on race night and see what the most popular boat is. Then get one of those. Our local lake has a fleet of SJ21s, which are dumpy little boats. But 12 of them on the start line is pretty damn awesome racing.
the Ranger 23 is highly respected in SF Bay. In the ideal conditions they have done well in the large pursuit races around the Bay. Great little boat. The Mirage I know nothing other than I do like their more modern looks. The Ranger 22 would not be on my list.
Boat choice is so subjective.I can say this...I own a little Mirage 5.5 swing keel...I got it cheap,I have invested very little ...and I sail it all the time.I seem to be out more than those "bigger" boats with all the $ hanging off of them .Mine seems to be pretty dern solid.Had her out in the gusts yesterday with a grin ear to ear...I call that a win .I sail in Denton on lake "Ray"just north of you. peace -big john
Interesting perspectives. All I can add is that the R22 is an awesome boat in light air. Other than that, I can't see buying either of these boats. Looking at SailTexas, I see a number of boats for decent prices - a Wavelength 24 chief among them. There are a couple of Holder 20s for sale also. Just my $.02, which is probably worth less than that...
Guessing ultra dirt cheap and available. Which case you might as well add the Catalina 22 to your shopping list. You can pick them up for nearly free and lake sail it to your hearts content for years with nearly zero added cost.
U20guy2 said: Guessing ultra dirt cheap and available. Which case you might as well add the Catalina 22 to your shopping list. You can pick them up for nearly free and lake sail it to your hearts content for years with nearly zero added cost. Click to expand...
- Nov 18, 2012
Mirage 236 group is on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mirageownersclub/ We are collecting data and pics for this boat.
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i have recently bought a 1979 mirage 236 from a member of my sail club. i looked for info on this boat before i bought it but there is very little out there and there seems to be two different 236's too. one is a fixed keel and mine is a daggerboard version. all the info i could get came from sail club members that raced against this boat before the owner put it on the trailer 6 yrs ago and they all said it was a fast boat that none of them could compete with it on the racecourse and they all hated it......sounds like a bunch of whiners to me!!!! i race a hunter 25 that is a very good boat for med to heavy air, but most of our weather on lake weiss in north ala is moderate at best. i haven't raced the mirage yet but am looking forward to stretching her legs when i get a couple of things finished and back in the water....i need all the info i cn get on this boat so i'm posting this message to see if i can get some replys...let me hear from you...........
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Great light air boat!! I used to race on one with a friend. We were able to consistently race well in light to moderate air. Be careful in heavier air as it is very tender. We found a blade to be most helpful over about 12 knots. Also you may want to look at the rudder housing as it seems to be a weak link, we had it repaired twice. It would seperate from the boat. All things told you should love this boat. PM me if I can be of any help.
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RDStanley I now have the Mirage 236 that started this post, Dinkray didn't like the way the boat heels. I plan to buy new headsails, 110 and 155 tri radials. I sail in light air most of the time but do the Dauphin Island race on Mobile Bay where the wind is usually 15 to 18 knots by the end of the race. I hope to race the boat on Lake Weiss and Mobe Bay. Any advice would be appreciated. Randy
Hi Randy, You may be in my neck of the woods. I am in Tallahassee, Fl but keep my boat in Cairo, Ga. A Mirage 236 hull #9. I bought mine 1.5 years ago from South Carolina. The interior was gutted and the exterior was stripped in prep for a restoration. Have completed the restoration and sailed it a few times. I have a 110, 155, and 170 headsails. The only one I have used to this point is the 170. Boat is a little tender but has good speed and is responsive. Mark
Mark, I would love to pick your mind on this project. At this point my deck is stripped of hardware and sanded, I will be painting the deck, applying nonskid, sanding the hull and buffing the gelcoat. After the deck hardware in installed with proper bedding I will finish removing all wood and replacing the interior. I plan to use the interior layout of the boat on this link. http://35knots.com/mirage-236-photos.html I would love to be able to discuss this by phone if you have the time. You are 5 hours south of me, but I would love to bring my boat down when completed to sail them together. Randy 770-710-9863
All Mirage 5.5 and 236 owners and wanabees. There is a Yahoo group dedicated to these boats on Yahoo Groups. Lots of pictures, where boats are located, and stuff for sale. groups.yahoo.com/group/mirageownersclub/
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Mirage preowned sailboats for sale by owner. Mirage used sailboats for sale by owner. Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. Search. Avoid Fraud. ... 23' WD Schock Santana 23R Mt Dora, Florida Asking $12,500. 50' Columbia Columbia 50 Tacoma, Washington Asking $139,000. 35' Fantasia 35 Isleton, California
MIRAGE 236. Save to Favorites . Beta Marine ... Definitions Hull Type: Fin w/spade rudder: Rigging Type: Masthead Sloop: LOA: 23.50 ft / 7.16 m: LWL: 18.67 ft / 5.69 m ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised ...
When J/Boats introduced the J/30, Mirage unveiled the Kirby 30. which on the water rocketed right by the J. Ironically, J/Boats then introduced the J/29- a boat a whole lot like the Kirby 30. The modified Kirby 30, the Mirage 30SX remains today, a highly competitive PHRF or MORC rocket. ... 1972 • 23 ′ 9 ″ / 7.3 m ...
Mirage. Mirage is a yacht brand that currently has 15 yachts for sale on YachtWorld, including 1 new vessels and 14 used yachts, listed by experienced yacht brokers and boat dealerships mainly in the following countries: Canada, United States and United Kingdom. YachtWorld offers a diverse array of models, showcasing a comprehensive range of ...
Mirage Yachts Ltd. was formed in February of 1972 by Dick and Irene Steffen, for the purpose of building the Mirage 24 designed by C&C. Up until this point they had owned a large volume C&C dealership in Point Claire, Quebec. At the time C&C did not build any model smaller than the 27. Dick was a very keen racing sailor and wanted a smaller MORC boat to both sail and sell from his retail ...
Mirage 236 is a 23′ 5″ / 7.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Bruce Kelley and built by Mirage Mfg. starting in 1978. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline ...
MIRAGE 24. Save to Favorites . Beta Marine ... Definitions Hull Type: Fin w/transom hung rudder: Rigging Type: Masthead Sloop: LOA: 23.83 ft / 7.26 m: LWL: 20.08 ft / 6.12 m ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or ...
1983 23' Mirage Mirage 236 sailboat for sale in Oklahoma City Oklahoma
Mirage 24 is a 23′ 9″ / 7.3 m monohull sailboat designed by C&C Design and built by Mirage Yachts Ltd starting in 1972. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline ...
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JUst because it looks like a sailboat does not mean it is worth anything. In fact, both boats are probably worth negative $500 OR LESS. Each of those boats has been offered around Austin in near junk condition. The Mirage is missing it's keel and the ranger was abandoned for ten years and beat to shit with many parts missing.
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12492 posts · Joined 2000. #4 · Nov 20, 2020. I think that this about the Mirage 236 which is a Bruce Kelley designed 23 foot MORC race boat built in Gainesville, Florida. I think that you are thinking of the Canadian Mirage, who built the Kirby 25 and Kirby 30. I know the Kelley designed, Florida built boats in passing having visited the ...
A Mirage 236 hull #9. I bought mine 1.5 years ago from South Carolina. The interior was gutted and the exterior was stripped in prep for a restoration. Have completed the restoration and sailed it a few times. I have a 110, 155, and 170 headsails. The only one I have used to this point is the 170. Boat is a little tender but has good speed and ...
Price. 1979. 23.5'. 9'. 5'. Alabama. $3,000. Description: mirage 236 racer with trailer. new main sail and fair 170 with brand new tuffluff headsail track. mostly new halyards and good rigging plus excellent spinnaker.rudder mount needs work but rudder is good and 5 foot dagger is good too. new tires and lights on trailer.ready to go. might ...
Mirage 236, 1981, Phoenix, Arizona. LOA 23' 6". Beam 9'. Draft keel down 4' 6". Draft keel up 2'. S/A 278 sf. Displ 2800 lbs. The boat is quick and excels in light to moderate air. She carried me single-handed in a 30 mile race to a first place finish recently.
Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale . Mirage 236, 1983 LOA 23' 6" Beam 9' Draft keel down 4' 6" Draft keel up 2' S/A 278 sf Displ 2800 lbs The boat is quick and excels in light to moderate air. The cockpit is exceptionally large and comfortable for a boat in this size range.
The MIRAGE 35 has a reverse transom, weighs a few hundred pounds more, and two feet longer than the 33 foot model. See the MIRAGE 35 for more details. ... A Ballast/Displacement ratio of 40 or more translates into a stiffer, more powerful boat that will be better able to stand up to the wind. Bal./Disp = ballast (lbs)/ displacement (lbs)*100
Mirage 24. Dick and Irene Steffen owned a yacht dealership for C&C Yachts, in Pointe Claire, Quebec.The company had been very successful selling C&C boats, but the C&C line did not offer a boat smaller than the C&C 27 at that time. Dick Steffen was a competitive sailing racer and thought that there would be a good market for a C&C-built 24 foot keelboat for MORC racing.
Mirage boats for sale on Boat Trader are listed for a range of prices, valued from $85,900 on the lower-cost segment all the way up to $209,000 for the more sophisticated yachts. Higher performance models now listed come rigged with motors up to 700 horsepower, while lighter-weight more functional models may have as little as 300 horsepower ...
The Mirage 24 is a 23.83ft masthead sloop designed by Cuthbertson & Cassian and built in fiberglass by Mirage Yachts Ltd (CAN) since 1972. The Mirage 24 is a moderate weight sailboat which is slightly under powered. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
Notes. Mirage 33 and 35 are nearly the same boat. The water line, sail area, beam, draft, and interior layout of these two boats is identical. The Mirage 35 has a reverse transom, (which accounts for the additional LOA) and weights a few hundred pounds more. Photo courtesy of Adam Hunt.
Mirage Yachts Ltd. (CAN) Designer: Robert Perry: KLSC Leaderboard. Sailboat Calculations ... 27.00 ft / 8.23 m: E: ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised draft. For boats with adjustable keels (centerboards ...